Caleb Matthews on Purpose, Intuition, and Personal Growth

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unprecedented times that we live in right now.

Mental Wellness, of course, starting to really come into

Vogue and thank goodness, because the problem has never

been greater as things, get more complex in our lives.

And that's been happening, more and more, and more, and more and

more over the last hundred years.

So to do the complexities of how that hits us mentally.

And that is what we're trying to solve.

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Crisis out there and you ain't seen nothing yet.

So that being said, let's talk about who today's interesting

guest is going to be. I have wanted to have somebody

who analyzes dreams on this show.

For a long, long time, we've had all sorts of life coaches and

counselors, and, and athletes and filmmakers, and I'll folks

all sorts of different walks of life, telling their story,

talking about what it is, they do excetera.

And, and hopefully, we The viewing audience or listening

audience or whatever the case may be can glean something out

of that, fantastic. Now, the guy that we're going to

have on here right now is name's Caleb Matthews.

He is actually, you know what, I'm not even going to overstep

and talk about exactly what he classifies himself as it.

But at the end of the day, a dream interpreter to say the

least and and and has looked into and gone down the rabbit

hole and it is a deep rabbit hole.

We talk about Leap, when we talk about dreams is a deep rabbit

hole that you can go down, and I'm really excited that he has

taken time out of his day. To join us on, he cast and we

can talk about dream, interpretation and dream,

meaning and things like that. Caleb Matthews.

Thank you for putting up with my long intro here and and taking

time out of your busy schedule to join us here on he cast.

Thank you so much Mike. This is an honor to be here on

he cast and the show and I know there's a lot of hungry

listeners Are you listening to this podcast?

And just this conversation? And really tapping into the

dreams, which is a huge part of our lives.

A third of Our Lives scientifically.

We spend in the night season dreaming.

So that's a whole big chunk of time that that gets passed by.

So thank you very much for having me.

I'm really excited for today's conversation and show.

Oh dude, it's going to be it's this is going to be great, the

moment you and I met, you know, shout-out to Chris Patten and

and, and, and the wonderful event we were at Where were you?

And I connected. It was it was one of those

things where instantly there was an instant Rapport and we

started going down the rabbit hole right there.

And right, as we started going down, the rabbit hole, I was

like okay you know what, I always want to stop this right

now, until we can make it get to the studio where we can talk

about this on the podcast. Because I think that our

conversation had emphasis that a lot of people would enjoy

hearing and, and, you know, I love that what you just brought

up a third of Our Lives, you know, in the sleeper Elmer or

You know, sleeping, I remember once somebody sold me a bed and

and and they it didn't occur to me, they said to me, they said,

well, your bed is actually one of the most important purchases

you'll ever make. And I was like, what are you

talking about? I just want to save money and

they're like, well, do you actually spend a third of your

life in this state? Don't you want to make sure that

you set it up, where you're going to be maximizing, you

know, whether it's Comfort or support or whatever and then she

went into middling go. But but, but it it's true.

We spend a great deal of our time in this world.

I often wonder if aliens were to come and analyze this planet,

you know, is it is it exclusive to our planet that most of the

creatures on it? Have this biological time of

rest and recharge and and it's one of those things where sleep

is as is a rabbit hole and if I think it's true, we're what we

don't know about sleep in. Dreams far outweigh what we do

know about it, but at the end of the day, I'm really grateful

that there are people like you who are spending time learning

about this stuff for sure. Yeah.

It's it's an art that I think is is really I think probably one

of the most I'm biased because I'm a dream interpreter, but

it's one of the most underrated Arts.

I think on the planet, like most people when they hear that, I'm

a dream interpreter. Oh, you're the dream

interpretation, some of the most like that's cool.

There are some that think, oh, you know, immediately like their

star and start to sticker, and think that it's some sort of,

you know, like Hocus Pocus like really child's toy or gimmick or

really just the value there. They don't some don't see it,

until they actually see it in action.

And I think that, you know, the dream realm really has a lot to

offer to unlock, Mysteries and codes and enigmas.

All from the beginning of history and time throughout

history, go over all so many different historical.

People that we read of in school, that we had no idea that

they were dream interpreters, or guided their greens.

People like Harriet Tubman, George Washington, just people

in American history, world history.

Winston Churchill. A lot of people who are Pinnacle

to shift the time of History, to towards Victory towards Freedom,

tap into the realm of their dreams, and they use that as a

vehicle to push themselves forward.

So, they are vitally important to our lives, not just for

history, but for current events as well.

I I appreciate everything that you're saying here and and don't

worry about the hippie-dippie part because I mean, I'm like,

okay there is every everything that has like.

I'll tell you, I'll give you a real life example.

I've been called an empath and I've read a couple books about

being an empath, I don't really know.

I don't really understand it that much, you know, and I

understand that, whenever I use that word, it's a loaded word

sometimes. Once you say the word empath and

people are like, oh well what does that?

What does that mean? I'm like, I'm not even sure but

it is something that's out there.

You know, the book that I read was written by a psychiatrist

and it was based on science and it was based on, you know, we

just had Clare Kumar on talking about HSP, highly sensitive

people things like that. And I think many times when

something is strange or new or challenges, what the norm might

think it gets, it gets discounted as, as As hippy-dippy

stuff. So you don't got to worry about

that, you're in a safe place here.

When it comes to that, let's go into.

What was it that got you to start moving down the path

towards becoming a dream interpreter?

Is it something that you've been doing for years and years and

years? It is something that you kind of

stumbled into. Where did it start?

I love the question, Mike. I love it.

It's, this is the one that opens up the Pandora's Box which I

love diving into, and that is a starting at the age of six years

old, actually, Soul all smooth. Back, when I was kid, I started

having vivid dreams, like not just the ones where, you know,

have a little bit of a clip dreaming e, wake up and remember

a few sentences. I mean, epic dream is where you

feel like you're falling down the rabbit hole tumbling after

Alice in Wonderland where, you know, Matrix where a whole

different world opens up. And you see, you see things that

a child can't make up in their own mind because this is we're

talking about back in the day when I was six years old, you

know, it's you're talking about like the early 90s when there

was really smart. Bones weren't around my parents

were very strict on us watching television.

You know, we watched Hockey Night in Canada, that was really

about it. We did watch movies, none of

that stuff. So, there wasn't a visual

antenna for me to dream about what I was seeing.

It was, it was just more epic and more glorious and more just

encouraging inspiring that I could ever imagine.

So starting at the age of 6, I started having these vivid

dreams. I was home-schooled.

So me and my two older brothers real home school by my mom.

God bless her soul. She really put a lot and

sacrificed a lot. My dad did the homework after we

came home from work, from his day job as a principal, but my

mom was a teacher and she ended up with are all of our boyish

isms and everything. But one of the things that she

was able to include in the curriculum just because

homeschooling and give more flexibility, at least especially

back in. Those times in the early 90s was

dream interpretation because me and my brothers really started

having more dreams in the night. And my parents really want to

explain to us that they were Weren't just silly Adventures

that you just saw on a TV screen of your of your spirit, or in

your mind, and your soul that actually real meaning that can

guide your life. So that really started the

journey from that time on from 6 years old and really learning

the understanding the art of hebraic dream interpretation.

So going through the hebraic method, what do I mean by that?

Well I mean you know following the life of people like Joseph

and Daniel like in the ancient hebraic text and people who

actually had these dreams. Means where they'd only guided

their lives by God, the lives of Nations and countries and really

society and use what they tap into and that portion.

So that hit break method is we fall from the age of six and I'm

eating up all the way through my childhood, my teen years and

then when I was 18 or 19 I went down into a school in the

eastern part of the United States called streams Academy.

So it's a school of dream interpretations.

As a nine month intensive School were the boys and gals you know,

lived in Two houses and we lived on, you know, the little little

town called New London. New Hampshire, small little town

will bump community and we really learned about the art of

the hearing God and tapping into our dreams and really living

that monastic, mystical life of just really learning and diving

into our dreams and also guiding others in that as well too.

So we went to Salem places like Stonehenge the summer solstice,

Costa Rica, nosara, all these Places, especially Haunted

Happenings in Salem was really our training ground for setting

up. Our Dream booths are and we

would interpret dreams for all sorts of spiritual pilgrims of

every asset of life. You know, one of the first

questions that we asked people sitting in the boot that I would

ask you. Mike right now is what is

spirituality mean to you. And that from that answer we

open up and then start to talk about the person's dream using

language that they're comfortable with.

Because we never want to get into language.

That makes anyone have any guard put up Does trust is really a

key element in when were interpreting dreams for

strangers when we're meeting them or people that were

starting to meet on the street, right?

So that's a, that's a long condensed answer.

But how I got into that was started dreaming at the age of

six started. Guiding that throughout my

homeschooling life as my parents gave me to tirage and then went

to spiritual schools like streams Academy in New

Hampshire. Have cultivated that ever since.

So, it's from the age of 6, I started dreaming from the age of

18, 19. I really started to guiding the

art of interpretation. Nation.

So it's it's been a journey. Wow.

You know for lack of a better term.

I really don't enjoy. I like saying, okay?

I like say what I'm about to say.

There are many people who this phrase of.

They just don't like it. But needless to say, there's a

lot to unpack there and I love, I love that.

We have so many jumping points that we can go to the first

jumping point. I'm going to, I'm going to go to

is, you know, a comment. So you started getting into this

when your neural plasticity, He was at it's at its best when

we're kids. I mean, I look at my

granddaughter right now, she's four years old and the, the

rapid pace of what she can learn is astounding to me.

I envy it. I wish I had that

neuroplasticity back and the fact that you got into a subject

that was, so deep. So early in your life is very

interesting to me. I, we could probably go an hour

on That but I think that our viewers and listeners would

would very much appreciate us getting to application as soon

as possible because what you just said, fascinating stuff.

Now I want to emphasize one point that you made, see we're

all different. We all have these different

points of view in these different places and that

includes level of comfort. You know how deep in the water.

Does one want to go, you know, before their comfort level

starts Going. Whoa, okay.

Some people have to stay close to shore after State.

Be able to touch some people. It's a little bit further and

then some people can go right into the middle of the ocean.

I imagine it's very similar for this.

You brought up a couple of words that I think are very

interesting and and could be light switches to either turn

them on or turn them off to this subject.

You brought up spirituality, but at the end of the day, we also

talked about mental health and the scientific part of things.

Um, boy dream interpretation and, and you brought up also,

you know, Daniel and then in the Torah originally and some of

these Spiritual Works, I don't know if there's a spiritual work

out there that doesn't talk about dreams in some aspect or

another, whether a little bit or a gigantic amount is dream

interpretation for you. Your standpoint.

I appreciate the fact that you're willing to talk about

people's Comfort level, but is it more scientific or spiritual?

Oil to you or are they just joined completely and it's a

yin-yang kind of a thing. I think there's a there's a the

rivers flow from those parallel and I really truly believe that

they're the dream interpretation some there's deep science and

dreams but there's also a river that flows I believe in two are

connected to our spirituality. Like if we think of a ship and

we've got the ship that's floating around in the waters of

life, without the anchor to be able to Anchor and stay in the

port or to be able to at least rest and Bob and what you talked

about before the bedroom, being that place of just deep sleep

without the anchor, I believe of spirituality, whatever you put

it as and your definition of like or whatever audience does.

That's why I like to put the ball back in their Court of what

is spirituality means them? It's for some, it could be I

don't have any spirituality, I'm an atheist.

Is that okay? Well, whatever you think like

whether it's positive energy, whether it's Buddha, whether

it's Islam, whether it's Christianity, whether it's

Judaism, like, Put whatever your comfort level is on, wrapping

that as their higher power. I say, okay, what is your higher

power as usual? My next question, but I believe

that spirituality there has to be an anchor, some in some level

of belief, in a known atheist would probably just cringe when

I say this. But even atheists, do incense.

Some point believe in something, they have to believe in energy

or something, that keeps them going.

Every day in the morning to get up out of that.

Otherwise, why are you even alive?

Why are you even aspire to do what you're doing, right?

So that that comes back into the whole realm of spirituality?

But science, as well, to really plays a deep heart into it, as

we talked about a third of our lives and spent dreaming.

There's a REM sleep, and I'm glad that you brought up science

because we talked about REM sleep.

And we talked about falling into that rest that you are alluding

to before with your bedroom and your bed is one of the most

important purchases. And I under percent agree with

that, the bedroom should be a sanctuary of rest.

And I think in our Western culture, especially in the last

few years during the pandemic, there's been an overload of

media and just a bombardment against our senses and really

robbing of us have our sleep and I think that that I could go on

and on about that. But I really believe REM sleep

combined in parallel in the parallel universe with our

spirituality is really tall and talk about application for our

dreamers. And I know people want to get

into like a packaging dreams, interpret dreams and we'll get,

we'll get into some of that. Yeah, without without REM sleep,

you won't eat. We won't even have a palette to

have dreams. You cannot dream if you do not

get to REM sleep or deep sleep. Impossible.

Well, many times a better dinner experience is start with a well

set table. I think about, you know, going

back. Let's, let's, that's an analogy.

Let's use the actual, my wife and I, you know, it sounds.

It sounds ridiculous saying it almost, but I think a lot of

people will agree. We live lives that are fairly

chaotic. My wife and I lots of lots of

moving Parts. Lots of spit Plates whatever,

however you want to describe it. And, and sometimes I think about

our bedroom and our bedroom can go to chaotic, and cluttered

very, very quickly if we don't stay on top of it.

And if we don't stay on top of it and it becomes this cluttered

space. Sometimes she and I just look at

each other and say, okay you know what, we're taking the

first half of this day and we're completely gutting, the bedroom

and completely cleaning it and completely, you know, putting

everything in order and having this this this space and I will

tell you You that both candy. And I when we do that, we sleep

better. It's like when you have the new

sheets on the bed and yeah, and everything's prepped right?

And yeah. Oh my gosh.

Does it ever change the way we view the space?

The way we view life while we're in the space?

And then, of course, it changes sleep while we're in the space

as well. And I think a lot of people

would agree with that. Yes, it's true like going back

to him break method and a lot of folks will know this about me to

break method is one of my followers.

Oh, it's the path that I followed.

There's his story of Jacob in Genesis where he actually goes

into Jacob's Ladder. It's a terminology that.

I'm sure. Many of our viewers will be

familiar, with is Jacob's. Not hear the dream ladder, sure.

Jacob's, Ladder really wasn't built or he wasn't able to see

it without one of the key elements that we're talking

about here. It says, when he took a rock and

he put his head on it, he came to a certain place and he fell

asleep. Well, that certain place can be

defined in the Hebrew as when he had a head-on encounter with the

divine. But that was because he made his

bed and he laid in it like literally he did like he found

that place. Between himself and his higher

power and he really and he stepped into a portal and that

really is the onus is on us as well, to be able to step in

activate into those places. So for our view is, there can be

many different things. Some, it could be, you know,

just listening to the birds tweet outside in the evening.

Like as the breeze is blowing across your back patio or it

could be sipping a coffee and reading poetry and just really

getting into a calm space or it could be going for a Walk with

your dog and just meeting other dogs in the Dog trail just

heading to Golden. Retriever it just brings you Joy

and it calms you and it gives you that calm to be able to

enter into just that childlike space.

Because you referred to this before, as, oh my goodness, that

you wish like you get to that place.

Like your kid is into as far as just like that activating

childlike place of dreaming that I do believe that, you know, as

human beings. We, you know, there's seasons of

life, we grow into different phases, young adults, and

adults, and eventually into seniors as we grow.

Later in life, but all of us, can cultivate the childlike Miss

of that, our spirituality of really being able to see the

kingdom of light in her dreams, you know, like, unless we become

converted as a child, we cannot see the kingdom of heaven.

Like that's something that Jesus said, you know, whether people

believe in Jesus is not as God, whatever that stuff to them.

But Jesus really was a real person.

He walked the Earth and that was one of his greatest teachings

was unless you convert and become like a kid, you can't see

the good stuff and I think that's something we can all Keep

in mind. Yeah, I just, I love how open

you are to the idea of moving over to to philosophical to

works all the way over to the, to the textbook side of things.

And I think that it's probably when it comes to when it comes

to sleep, when it comes to Dreaming, what we don't know

again, you almost got to throw the kitchen sink at it because

it makes things murky. There's no question about it.

We talk about mental illness. Mental health, mental, Wellness

podcast. I, I want to dive into.

So I want to start diving into two dreams and you can talk

about the method and how you interpret them, that kind of a

thing. And I'm sure we're going down

that pathway very quickly. I just want to keep it really.

I want to start by asking something that's pretty

straightforward, and I think it's pretty Universal those

times where we have. Like, I think about that time.

Maybe you hit the snooze button or, or you know, About an hour

from waking up or something and you're in that little world

where you don't know. If you're sleeping, you don't

know if you're awake and you're thinking and you're kind of

cognizant but you're not. And then and then there are

those times where you know, you make decisions or you think

things. Oh yeah I'm going to remember

that. The moment I wake up and then

and then you don't, it's gone, it's slippery.

It goes away very quickly and then there are those times as

well. That just before you wake up you

have a disturbing dream or a something does not necessarily

disturbing with something that That causes you to causes the

day to literally be set positively or negatively.

Like, I've had days that have been not ruined, but really

tough days based on the last thing.

I dreamt of before I woke up and and, and I just want to maybe

talk a little bit about that before we start getting into the

method and the things like that. How I don't even know where the

Questions, I guess I'm going to format how close is our

day-to-day, mental Wellness, tied to the Dream from the night

before 100%. Like it's I'm a firm believer of

that. Like, you spoke about earlier

about, you know, not knowing whether you're awake or asleep

that would be was classified as lucid dreaming.

It's a journal sure you've heard of before but that's a state

that all of us at one point or another will fall into in our

dream lives, just as we're waking up or as we're falling

asleep. Some people fall into it right

when their head hits the pillow, some I'm awake and out of it as

they are waking up in the morning or even dead and the

dead of night and the second walk of the night with three or

four in the morning, right? So how was your day?

I'm going to go parallel with an illustration with like movie

watching. Like I love movies but as a

visual person, I have to be super careful of what I put in

my eye gate because it can affect my mood, it can affect my

day can affect how I treat others.

My mood swings. So I liken that to if somebody

Or they go to sleep watches like a horror movie or like some sort

of scary thing. And then they dream of all these

sorts of weird creatures or something.

That's really like scary or they're being chased or boat to

be stabbed her. Because these are very common

dreams that I would say, okay. It's probably you need to do

inventory on what we're putting in front of our eyes, right?

Like it's and everyone's going to react differently but for me

what we see in our Dream, there's a principle that I truly

believe in it, as what we see we become, or if we don't like what

we see, we We should partner with our higher power and really

release light into that. If it's something that doesn't

register right with with our spirit, our heart, because we'll

know, like, we'll have that gut check.

Then a dreamer actual say to our audience, to you Mike and our

entire audience that you actually have whatever you see,

whatever is in your Metron, you have authority over.

And so sometimes I know some people when they wake up and

they think, oh man, this is just happened to me.

I'm a victim of this dream or it's just, I guess it just is

what it is, right? If we think that way and we've

all done it, I've done it myself.

To as I've learned through the dream realm growing up.

If we think that way, it'll eventually will manifest.

If we allow that to happen and you're a total, you know, well,

more well versed than I am in the mental health realm, but

it's, if we think that something that's happening to us, is

what's meant to be then? Eventually it will take root.

Yeah. Sure.

Our presenters. Our perception becomes our

reality. Yeah.

So I would say we have authority to change whatever we don't like

to see and really flush that out.

I'd like to say that there are different types of Dreams.

There's inspiring dreams is good dreams.

There's God, dreams or light dreams.

There's futuristic dream of conditioning dreams.

And there's dark dreams and sometimes a dark dreams.

They just need to be flushed or what I like to say is there's

two sides to a coin and we'll get, this is where we get into

application here in a bit coin flipping.

So if you if there's something that's - usually the opposite is

what the higher, your higher power is saying to you.

Usually there's opposition those trying to lie to you, to say

that oh this isn't what's happening.

Well the opposite, usually, what's happening, and I mean,

okay, so take a mental Wellness perspective, you know the voice,

inside your head, you know, that that voice inside your head,

many times if we've talked about this in different ways, when

there's all sorts of ways you can talk about, you know,

conquering that voice inside your head, the perception

reality thing, if anybody who's out there who's listening to

this, as a student of personal development, you know, very

quickly when you read, almost any personal development book,

it talks about the idea of quelling that voice that voice

telling you, you can't do it. That voice telling you you're

not enough that voice telling you you know all the things that

that that you don't. You don't want to hear whether

you recognize it or not. Now if I'm hearing you right,

that voice is also available when you're sleeping as well.

Like it's not like it's not like that thing is exclusive to when

we're awake. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. No.

It's Holy active in the night season.

And there's three Realms where one will dream three.

There are many different categories of dreams.

And you know, I've been doing this since I was six and you're

interpreting since I was 18 and there's a lot to packaged in a

small session, but I what I will say is that there's many

different categories of dreams but we can their Rivers will

come back into three sources in my personal experience.

In my belief is that dreams come from three Realms that come from

either from our higher power. So spirituality higher power Our

they come from the adversary. Meaning the one that doesn't

want us to be able to communicate with our higher

power and then ourselves sometime, we can our own way

that's being. So there is there's three,

different avenues that dreams come from.

And, you know, what do I mean by that will perfect example is

Dream from myself could be I, you know, I want to win the

lottery, want to win the lottery that dream of winning a lottery.

Well, that's, that's me. That's my psyche, hyping myself

up, and then dreaming that in the night season, a Dream from

the adversary of the one who doesn't Me to communicate with

my higher power, could be something opposite from who I

am. So, just think of think of an

attribute or trait that you are, and just flip it in the negative

and that's probably not coming from your higher power, right?

So that's anything is dark, anything?

It doesn't Inspire anything that wants to keep you down is

probably not a god dream or a higher power dream.

And then the one that's the ones that are brilliant and glorious

and beautiful. Want to get to is the ones that

come from our higher power that give us direction to give us

inspiration that make us feel like we got to jump in our step

and we wake up. So that's just a A very brief

overview of that, but yes, you are correct.

My friend in the night season. The invitation is there there

are many different voices competing for our attention and

that's what we got a communiqué cultivate that that intimacy

with their higher power. I love what you just said, how

you categorize them. I'm going to once again try and

universalize this for everybody. The idea that that you could

take a take the dream that you have and you could just throw it

into one of three categories. Or he's, you know, and at that

point they're like I mean I think about the one where you

the middle one the one where it's an adversarial type thing

and how we can actually take concrete steps to to looking at

that and even saying, okay, is this something that is a

positive message for my life, you know, is this something that

is going to cause me? You no harm.

If I dwell on these thoughts or these ideas.

Yes. So I can give myself permission

to let that go if I'm hearing you right?

That that is an application that somebody could do if they have

one of those dreams that disturb them somehow.

Yes letting it go. Sometimes the best thing to do

is just just to flush it like in sports you know this you've

interviewed people who are involved in sports commentary on

also as well as being in sports Rome as well as an athlete.

You got to have the shortest memory possible when you ever

Game doesn't go right. You gotta flush that experience

and move on. So sometimes you just gotta

flush it. So, you know what, this isn't

for me, I refuse this. I do not allow this to stick

onto my being and then just move on.

Sometimes you just do that other times.

It's like, you know what, maybe, you know, we look at the NHL

playoffs right now. Sometimes a team goes deep and

then they fall short of their goal but they're disappointed

but they learn from it even though as a negative experience

and that That's where another onion layer of that second.

Tier of the adversary. I talk about adversarial time to

talk about sometimes. There can be dreams where it

looks really bad. Like I've had countless probably

hundreds, if not thousands of people of interpret dreams about

one-on-one or in my dream teams that have taken through these

different places over the years, where they thought that

something had no positive meaning whatsoever because it

looked dark. And then after myself and my

team spoke with them, they were amazed that that their higher

power was actually communicating with them or Able to use

something that looked evil for good.

So has that. That's what I mean by that I I

love this. I'm curious when you're going to

write your book is. I hope I hope that's happening

sooner than later by the publisher.

Okay. Well hey will you talk about

that you know you know my wife and I never thought that we

would write a book but but we were so excited when it all

happened and all that stuff so we can we can definitely talk

about that before, okay. I think We're sitting, we've set

a beautiful table here. I just want to, I'm going to, I

want to emphasize or put an exclamation point on something

that you said earlier because I think many times as humans, we

don't necessarily give the power to the fact that our behaviors

while we're awake is going to affect not.

You know it's not a matter of if it's a matter of how much it's

going to affect our sleep our Dream Cycles, which Then affect

our waking Cycles, moving forward, I'll give an example,

my wife and I and I mean, I think this is this is in Vogue.

I think a lot of people can can relate to.

This are binge-watching series different shows.

Now it's not a matter of when it comes to content, you know,

watching a movie before you go to bed is one thing.

But, but now we're in this, this, this entertainment cycle

where there's so much content out there.

Seasons of TV shows are or, or You know, miniseries are are

released and people, binge-watch.

And, and the entertainment industry is doing a very good

job of as they're finishing off an episode there.

They're putting out a trail of breadcrumbs that is so

compelling. That folks are saying hey just

one more. Hey, just one more.

Oh it's only midnight 12 for instead of going to bed at 12

going to bed at 12:40 is fine. I'm just going to watch one

more. So what my wife and I did that

with Breaking Bad. Like a lot of people did

Breaking Bad, got it. Got its popularity after it was

first broadcast and when it was Benjamin, people really started

watching that show. And I remember there were a

couple of nights where my wife it became.

It was so prevalent in our dreams that my wife even said,

hey look, we got to limit it to just a couple and we're going to

do it before. There's going to be a buffer

time when we finish the last episode.

And two, when we go to sleep because and I love the show,

it's one of the best written, you know, pieces of

entertainment of all time as far as I'm concerned.

But very dark subject matter, you know, clever but holy smokes

and it can really mess around with you and the layers of how

that show was was created all the way to the colors of front

doors and different themes that were put in, like the layers of

what was put into that show, were multi to say the least.

And so I just was like okay yeah this is.

So if I'm going to dream about this is probably affecting my

dreams multi-layered as well and things like that and the idea

that you brought up earlier that you could actually have some

control over that and we can actually take some personal

responsibility while we're awake.

The idea that we probably as a species should do that more,

especially here in North America in 2022.

At the time of this broadcast, we probably should pay more

attention. To what we're doing before we go

to sleep for that very matter, would you agree.

Obviously agree with that 100%. I think the terminology that

we're all familiar with that sometimes we just need to unplug

from society like it. Sometimes we just need a

sabbatical, sometimes need a vacation, that's why, you know,

those ever all of us who got work and jobs, we get a certain

amount of time and vacation that our work, our employer or

business or that. We take for our self because

human beings. We're a poor.

Amazing creatures were built to do many things but human beings.

We all have. We all have a gas tank just like

our vehicle. And if we are running on auto

like just 100 miles an hour on the highway, we're not stopping

for a rest. Eventually the car is going to

crash burn and we're not going to get the sleep and we're also

not going to be able to see the bigger picture because I think

really the mpa which is scientific term for multiple

perspective, Advantage. Most people.

Are not cultivating that we're not cultivating that we I say

myself because I'm preaching to myself as well.

We don't cultivate that as much as nearly as we should.

And I myself, I love there's certain shows that I love to

watch your binge-watch have been wash, but I find for myself

because I'm a very visual person, is somebody that I fall

asleep at a certain time of the evening.

And if I'm staying late, late past that, and probably gonna

take me a while to get sleep or my dreams are going to be

affected. So I have to rush in that just

about myself as well, too, but it's just about knowing herself,

but also, Knowing when it's time to turn the tap off, thank you

for. I think that that's an important

aside, that's something that I think many folks just don't even

consider it. It's not even a, they just don't

even consider it even a little bit.

And, and, and I think that if we did start considering that, and

if we, if we made sleep and sleep preparation for lack of a

better term, a little ceremony more ceremonial in.

Maybe, it's not even that strong, but, but, but Routine

anyway, is very, very important. And if you want to, again, set a

table for a really nice dinner. If you want to set the stage for

a really good sleep, that does recharge you as best you can

that does enhance what the next day is going to be.

And there's all sorts of personal development stuff with

that people, talking about reading their goals before they

go to bed, people talk about journaling, before they go to

bed, the different things that you can do to kind of program.

Not just your sleep but your next day powerful things that I

don't. Get to.

That's the kind of shit that I think it should get taught in

school. I think that people should learn

the power of what they can do with that for when we are kids

and you were clearly clearly taught that.

Let's go into it now, man. I mean, I think we've done a

good job of bringing people so far.

Let's let's talk a little bit about the dream interpretation

now and I don't know how to move into the the conversation, this

phase of the conversation with you other than to say.

Okay. So If I had a dream of impact of

some sort, whatever it might be in any of those categories if

there was some sort of dream of note or impact care one.

Yeah. Sure was a short one.

If you've got one right now, my god well I okay.

I mean there's one that I'm certain is because of the

individual the way that you categorize the three.

I appreciate how you you did it. I've had well okay I'm about to

talk about another podcast that I do II host, the David

Letterman podcast and actually we're making a documentary about

it called the The host of the Letterman podcast, what does a

guy from western Canada, doing hosting a David Letterman

podcast that that seems to be maybe potentially moving towards

becoming the official ish Letterman podcast?

How is that happening? Why is it happening in all of

that? So I will go back to the dream

part. Before I made the decision to do

this, there was a whole bunch of factors people who work for the

show, talking to me all that. And this is one of those things

where it's my dream job. Job, not that.

I'm ever going to get paid for it or anything like that, but I

get so much fulfillment from it. It's not even funny.

And we're only, you know, a dozen episodes in and it's

already and folks who work for the show or talking to me.

And it's just we've actually it's already been put in front

of Dave himself and it's just it's a crazy impactful thing

just personally for me and it's amazing.

I love it. So, so, so much I had I've had

two dreams about it. Now, one of the dreams was when

I was I think for it and and, and utilizing some of the

relationships I have with people who work for the show and that

sort of a thing. I was really tunnel-visioned in

my Waking Life about the Letterman podcast.

It was the prep for it. It was creating the logo.

It was, it was what's the tone of the show?

Going to be? What's the mission statement of

the show? All of these things.

I was thinking about that and I think a lot of folks can adhere

to that if they relate to that if they if they have ever had a

new job or or maybe a new relationship or Started a new

business. Anything like that, where you

just thinking about it a lot during your waking hours?

Yeah. And I remember, you know, one

day I was I was doing that kind of like the Breaking Bad Thing.

I spent a big chunk of the evening working on it when I

went to sleep the entire night, but it seemed like the entire

night was just reflected. Back at me, the Letterman

podcast, the Letterman podcast like like just the details of

it, I Come up with some ideas where I actually wrote them down

right away and they were things that implemented are implemented

into the show. So it was, it was creative but

it seemed very logic-based. I had another one though that

was, I mean if you want to categorize it as higher power,

it was, this is beforehand and this is when I made the decision

to do it and it was, it was it was like, it was like a

thunderbolt, I Can't even describe the dream to you.

Caleb like I don't remember it. I just remember what it felt

like when I woke up where it was like Mike you have to do this

like an asshole, we'll make we'll make time, you'll have

time around where you can still, you know, Hosea cast and run

your your financial business that you have and and and you

know you got your book and responsibilities with your book.

It's fine. You have to do this and we'll

make it work. Yeah, so those are two.

Those are two that are close to me right now that I can just

Rattle off the top of my head. Yeah, your dream, your dream,

your spirit, man is confirming. What your I would say is like, a

self conditioning dream of what you're chewing on that switch,

is your dream in the dates. You season would release to

fulfill this dream of your heart.

So I say your dream is really just fulfilling what you've been

thinking about. So I would say that that would

probably be a self conditioning dream that probably came from a

combination of yourself because you're thinking about during the

day, but also your higher power as well, just confirming those

dreams and giving you more ideas, but if I can, I'm going

to give you an Example, and then packaged this and just give us

some little bit of tools to the audience, very dream that I

interpreted for one of the festival leaders at the mountain

Spirit Festival in Kamloops. If you're familiar with one at

Sun Peaks but the the Sun get each, beautiful, beautiful ski

resort and well, yeah, yeah, so the one of the main organizers

there, she shared a dream with me and her dream was she was

riding on a donkey and she was going towards a city.

Just off in the distance over this bridge.

And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the donkey just bucks

are off and then just refuses to go any further.

And she's frustrated with this donkey, and the donkey refuses

to move, its feet are planted in the ground, and she turns the

donkey and she starts talking to the donkey saying, okay, this

journey is important. We need to go and eventually the

donkey just says, alright, what and taught actually talks back

to her and say, let's go. So they go off and towards the

city, and they reach the city, we reach this hotel, and then

the get into the lobby, there's all sorts of people.

Of different nationalities and leaders almost like arisaka

Paris, tots Aristocrats politicians and just different

leaders, sort of a tongue twister and she got front of

them and she started talking and then and then she woke up and so

she's like Fuck. I mean is the whole audience is

laughing? I think.

Okay. Silly donkey like talking to her

and say I won't go any further that kind of thing.

So in dream language immediately, the first thing for

our listeners because I'm going to condense a lot of stuff and

Is so much stuff to learn for a dreams because as I say, I've

been doing this for a long time but just her some tools and keys

to get started for an appetizer. Moving forward to this when we

look at a dream, the first thing that we should be asking

ourselves for those taking notes, listening to podcast is

what is this a picture of? So we ask yourself the question,

why a donkey not a cult and why donkey and not a horse.

So these different questions of why is there a donkey in this

person is dream as we're processing and listening to

that. And then The next thing is okay.

What is a donkey? A picture of?

And so a donkey is you could say stubbornness or humility as well

too. Because for those that follow

the Nativity Story, especially around Christmas time Jesus is

parents. When they came to Bethel a road

on a donkey. And he's a very humble Steed.

Very humble Steed. Not like a glorious War Horse or

something like that. So so what I interpreted the

dream as to the listener saying, you know, your higher power is

calling you. To influencing leaders because

the hotels were a gathering of leaders.

Your influence with leaders is will be directly tied to your

humility and willingness to embrace a lowly Road in a wok

that might not make sense to you.

Wow. So that's it like that that like

in a dream we should be able to condense a dream into one or two

or three sentences. Some people go on.

Along with their interpretations.

And there is a place for that, but I like to make it simple for

my, my audience and listeners. And also, people were sitting

there and one or two sentences and so, that for me, is for

hugest, shocked because I have no idea.

That was it, she saw some silly monkey and maybe she had just

been to the farm too many times, as he's just feeling of all

these animals that she'd seen at the farmer know, it was a humble

Steed. The Humble vehicle of her

vocation, her calling is humility will be the key that

gets her in front of me. Okay, so this is this is I love

this and I want to I want to go do a bit of a deeper dive on

this is because you said something there right at the end

that I think. Is intrinsic of what we do when

it comes to dismissing shit that we dream about you.

The idea that okay, I was riding a donkey.

Okay, that was really silly. Okay, what I would dismissal,

right? But at the end of the day, our

brain is the one or whatever you want to call.

But let's just keep it really, really simple.

Right now, our brain is the one that threw the donkey into our

subconscious Vision like that. That happened.

It was there. If we dismiss it.

Okay, fine. But even asking the question,

why did my Just brain, which, by the way, way more in-depth and

intelligent, and as running a lot more that our conscious

brain is right. You know, we can go, we could do

an entire podcast. We have done entire podcast on

that the subconscious brain versus the conscious brain.

But the idea your brain through the donkey in there.

Yep. And you can say silly dismiss,

or hold on, you could just say okay, why a donkey?

Yeah, and I think so many people don't even do that one.

One thing of noting it, I think that's a to me, that's, that's,

that's profound. If you were to have a dream of

whatever, whatever it is, whether it's a fire truck,

whether it's what if there's a striking image in the dream that

you remember, why that? And then and then doing a little

bit at like, at what point then do you say, okay, well, what

does a, what is a donkey represent?

Let's do some Googling, let's do some whatever.

Let's just do a little bit of digging as to what you know, a

fire truck, might represent something things like that.

Is that Tongue. Is that going down the path of

how we can maybe analyze ourselves if we're going to do a

little bit of bitterness. Absolutely.

Yeah. No.

It's and it's I like to say the craziest people in the world are

the ones that don't talk to himself.

So the most sane people in the world are the ones that do talk

to themselves. So, we need to have this

internal dialogue in our in our minds.

And we're talking about mental health and everything.

Positive mental health is when we're having these

conversations. A she's especially dealing with

what we're getting in the night in the night season because

there's such a an Alice in Wonderland is such an amazing

Willy Wonka. Charlie fact, Chocolate Factory

of just beautiful treats and yes, you're correct like

Googling can help but also looking things up, but really

just like to no two snowflakes are alike.

No two dreamers are alike, right?

So when I'm interacting with someone who's a dreamer and

they're sharing their dream, like this lady, shared with me.

I'm asking questions as well too and really get to know the

dreamer because a Maybe for me, I just so ready for some body

else. Maybe a donkey as soon as it's

your donkey, a dream immediately brings trauma because a donkey

threw them off when they broke their leg once.

Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So this personal experience with this experience?

Yeah. So like it's good and for her

thankfully donkeys were positive thing and you know, so when I'm

interacting with dreamers am always asking the questions as

well. What does this mean to you?

What does that mean to you? Or they could have dreamed of

somebody or a person that they recognize and Life, right?

So so yes Google can definitely be helpful but the same time, I

know a lot of dream interpreters out there all like to pigeonhole

things into a formula. And I know that as we started

here in the conversation at this podcast, you're just into

flowing and what's right in the moment of what we're both

talking about, as opposed to doing too much prep work.

So with dream interpretation it snowing, first of all yourself,

but also getting to know the dreamer that sharing the dream

as well as to and for ourself. Interpreting our own dreams and

often be the most difficult because we're on biggest

critics. So that's why it's great to do

this in unity like Hebrews. Did hebraic method, here is the

Israelis the Hebrews, the, the Middle Eastern, people's the, or

the even Egyptians as well, to make the hieroglyphics and all

kind of stuff. And especially in the Middle

East, they build whole communities on having breakfast

or lunch or dinner and sitting around lunch table.

A dinner table talking about what they dreamed in the night

season that's their culture like that.

That's what they talk about as opposed to our Western culture.

Not saying it's bad, talking about laser show or movie, but

it pales in comparison, movies and shows and entertainment

because their man's interpretation, which is a

beautiful thing. But I think things are come from

our spirit, their prices. You really can't take that away

from somebody. When they get a dream in the

night season, it is incomparable.

Oh, wow. I love.

It's almost poetic how you speak.

I love your language. I love the language of dream,

interpreters, or just Caleb for that matter.

I love I love your vocabulary and how you how you spell this

out, the idea that people get together and they can talk about

their dreams. I think that we have done a very

good job at the Society of beating the crap out of even

remembering our dreams, that kind of a thing.

I've got a lot of stand-up comedians in my life and and

they talk about the Muse and inspiration and whatnot because

you know, literally anything at any time, including when they're

sleeping, could be the premise for a bit.

Or what they're going to perform and and many of like I think

about even the most famous thing about Larry David, you know, you

one of the creators and writers of Seinfeld Curb Your Enthusiasm

a performer in his own, right. You know, he talks about how he

brings his notepad with him wherever he goes.

And and because the idea shows up and it goes out and it's like

this. I think dreams are very similar

and the society that you explained in the Middle East or

societies that focus on dreams may be the way that we have

focused on entertainment over here, maybe.

That that might be there might be an essay or something in

there with that but the idea of what you just discussed, I think

it's just like kit. You mentioned Sports earlier, a

bunch of kids who play hockey, okay?

You know. They're they're they're shaky

there wobbly. They fall all the time.

They missed the puck, you know, they're very, very amateurs, but

you do it long enough. You focus on it long enough and

and suddenly you can become almost an artist on the ice, And

do that kind of thing. If somebody wanted to take note,

if they hurt our podcast today and realized, you know what, my

brain is coming up with all of this stuff, I need to pay

attention more to what my, what is coming out of my brain or and

the spiritual realm, whatever, whatever interpretation the The

Listener or viewer wants to, you know, except I want to pay

attention to this a little bit more.

Is it the same as Larry, David having a notepad?

So if he wakes up in the middle of the night and he's got a

notepad beside his bed, any rights Down.

Is that, is that the move? What is the way to because, I

mean, famously, we all, we all forget our dreams right away.

Can we get out of that habit? And what are some steps that we

can do to pay attention more to these things?

Yes, practical tools is very good question.

I love that and really a journal journaling journaling journaling

journaling. I absolutely am a dream journal

of full of full-on dream journal is the way a full-on dream

journal like, having a journal like next to next year.

Abed really, what that does is one.

You're showing your subconscious, but also your

higher power, whatever you believe your higher power, where

the dreams funnel is coming from your placing, an importance on

that. Yeah, just like quality time

when we spend time with our spouse or girlfriend boyfriend,

or his kids, or family, or acquaintances, or just friends

quality time. Really means to the person or

the person you're interacting with that, you putting a value

on this. And the same thing is is when we

have a dream journal, we got a pen.

We got that next to our bed, we're going to bed early.

We're creating that REM dream. Like incubator that those

things. Especially Journal getting to

bed, early knowing what our limit is knowing your limit and

stay within it. Right.

You know when you're when you're having a good time partying or

drinking a nice drink or whatever.

The same thing is with this journaling and writing them

down. When we wake up to not

procrastinate and being like all, just walk the dog or I'll

go have a drink a coffee or I know I've been working.

At the news and see what's up with the news.

As soon as you do that, I would say 998 percent of the time, the

dream is going to fizzle away. Next few moments, going to be

gone, then you re like I do that.

So I'm looking, like not be, gotta write that stuff down or

even like to say some people work well, in pictures.

So because say, someone dreams epic least, not all dreamers are

like some Can Dream short clip dreams.

Some Can Dream long five, six, seven, eight, nine pagers.

And for the people that I want to speak to, who are long

dreamers, who had these epic dreams that are afraid that.

They start writing down those start forgetting draw pictures

like draw pictures to categorize the different chapters of your

dreams so that you can recall. What's underneath that pie and

really know what's the content inside.

So if your typical thousand words right, yeah, picture

picture. That was the worst.

Oh, picture journaling or word, journaling writing them down or

even voice recorder as well too, but I know it's tough sometimes

when you wake up in the middle of the night or I wake up in the

middle, the night it's like 4:00 in the morning, you're really

tired but But sometimes you don't have a window if you fall

back asleep. All remember the morning and you

don't tell everyone dreams differently.

So having a journal is important, having a REM sleep

incubating. Environment is also important

and really, just and I know it sounds really cliche, but I know

I want to be sensitive to our audience, whoever, you know,

listening to everyone's at different points of

spirituality, or they're just their mental health, but I

really believe in the power of prayer and asking, you know,

Like it when you're asking your parents for something, or you're

asking a friend for something, I really believe speaking the word

and speaking, see something out and believing it and calling it

to season, the things of our future is really an important

thing. You'll understand this.

Look at all the things that you're doing with David,

Letterman and podcast show and all the different connections

you have. We don't speak it out.

Yeah. If we don't speak the word, it's

not going to happen. If we don't manifest it, it's

not going to it's not going to produce in the real world so

well. And this is this is where men

are at right now. Now, and I mean, I hate that

time gets those slippery in these things and I feel like

we're just getting started first off, please come back and let's,

let's, let's definitely continue on this conversation.

And lets, you know, at the beginning of that show will tell

them to refer back to this show, and then watch the next one and

listen to the next one because we can go a little bit deeper

with it. But, I mean, you're preaching to

the choir when it comes to men's mental Wellness out there, no

matter who we talk to whatever their persuasion, whether it be,

you know, from a coach or a counselor perspective.

All the way to This all the way to folks who have battled with

depression for 45 years. I mean, you know, Bruce Ross was

a recent guest at our episode episode and I mean, he still

impacting I'm talking about it every single episode.

He's you know the key is, whatever it is that we're

dealing with. It doesn't help to keep it

inside. No matter what that is.

Whether it's I want a new job, okay.

Well, guess what, you're not getting a new job, you know, at

least tell somebody about it and then and then, of course, you

know, create the actions to move.

And towards that. But there are so many men out

there. Again, cliche I hate using the

cliche, but living that quiet, life of desperation, because

they're not saying anything. And, and I think, okay, many

people can wrap their head around the idea that okay, I

want a new job. I'm not gonna get a new job

unless I tell somebody something about it and start talking about

it. If I talk about it, it can.

It's amazing how quickly things can happen taking that same

concept and applying it to our sleep cycle.

Things that we interpret in our sleep cycle, the dreams, all

that kind of stuff. Holy cow.

That's a, that's a lightbulb moment for some people because

it's so easy and it was right in front of us the entire time, but

we didn't give it any Credence, you are taking your, you're

building a practice in a career of creating that lightbulb

moment for people. It's really cool.

Caleb. Yeah.

It's like Narnia it's stepping through the door and saying, you

know, there is Aslan like if you don't say it out loud, don't see

it then. Guess what?

The rest of the heavens, he's missed, whereas land was in The

Prince Caspian book, I think, but Lucy was the one that saw

Aslan and got to talk with Aslan?

I really feel like that's a whole illustration go down

another day, but really that to me, speaks about the dream

realm. Everybody else was focused on

the battle focused on the White Witch, but Lucy wanted to hear

it as line was talking about and that really is in liking to her

dream language. So, yeah.

It's taking a moment with all the chaos and all the things

that are happening, and I mean, chaos in a bad way necessarily,

but when it comes to Okay. I dreamt just dumped all this

stuff and zeroing in on one or two little things in it and just

becoming aware about those things.

And saying why practical beyond measure even though, yeah, you I

love all of the analogies you're using, you're talking about the

Fantastic. You talk about, you know, the

idea of Narnia, Lord of the Rings are Alice in Wonderland or

cello Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

These are all Fantastical stories that could be stories

that come out of a dream and how fantastic they are.

And and I love that, that is the language that you're embracing.

I think that we as a species, you know, could do well by by

embracing that a little bit more in our own lives.

I'm so grateful for this conversation.

Caleb, if anybody wants to connect with you out of this,

what's the best way to do it? What are you?

Moving your practice towards, let's just circle back and

finish up the podcast. Talking a little bit about you

as our to what it is that you're doing.

What's the goal? For you.

I mean you've got all this knowledge, both learned and

practical advice that you could give others.

What's the, what's the end game for you and how do people want a

key? Keep a contact me.

For 3, 3 means of main mean would be email.

So encompassed by dreams at gmail.com, I can even write it

down later and have posted or whatever with the article with

the podcast but encompassed. So e and C 0 m PA ssed BBY

Dreams.com encompassed by dream.com.

A Gmail, the accomplish my dreams at gmail.com and then

Compass squadrons.com is the website, you can check it out.

See, some of my obviously, what I've been up to and just what

bring encompassed by dreams about and then as far as these

days, especially in the last couple of years because of all

the stuff that's going crazy in the world of them, more of like

online podcast. I was doing a podcast for about

a couple of years on a friend show that to recently wrapped up

just because she Using a different direction but doing a

lot of online podcast, a lot of Consulting online.

So people want to get a hold of me.

We can do online, Zoom, one-on-one sessions, Reach Out

by email. I always like to say that the

first couple questions on there on your dreams are

complementary, but then, if you want to book a session, then

there's a small session fee, but know that pre-pandemic as well

to parlor ice cream. I know the owner there Omar.

We used to set up a dream. Interpretation booths are in

Interpret dreams for people who would come and buy ice cream.

Soul ice cream shop. That's fantastic.

Yes. Oh, I I do it all.

I do it all, whether it's important, whether it's online,

whether it's your email, whether it's on phone.

So, Facebook, Instagram, you can reach me at and Compass by

dreams. I've got a hashtag on Instagram

as well as Facebook as well too. So Caleb, I can't, I can't thank

you enough for what it is that you're doing.

Obviously you'll, I mean, you'll come back without saying without

you know, of course, you'll come back, right?

Yeah. Amazing.

I I can't thank you enough for learning this.

You know there are some times when I meet somebody who has

learned something that is so specialized, you know, in a

million years. I don't I could never get that

specialized on something but at the end of the day, it's so

important and I need the help and I need to tether myself to

something like that. That's what you're doing man.

And I just appreciate it so much.

I appreciate your heart and how much you want to give back to

people. And thank you for following your

inspiration, man, I really appreciate that.

It's a great example. For a lot of guys out there who

are following their following, their dreams, for lack of a

better term. And, and, and it's, it's we

giggle about it, but it's the total truth, it's through

totally the truth. You are doing what I believe

that you are doing what you are called and purpose to do.

Hmm, thank you very much Mike for having me on the show and I

really appreciate the opportunity and All the speak

true player privilege and honor and thank you audience.

For those of you who listen to this Podcast, May your dreams be

fill of light, and may you have deep sleep and lots of dreams to

be able to your own allowed. Could not have said it better

myself. Could not be a better ending to

this podcast. Once again, he changed it.com

for all the information on. He changed it and compassed by

dreams.com. If you want to know more, if you

want to go further down that rabbit hole with Alice and And

Caleb will be your guide. Just this has been a fantastic

conversation. I love this.

It's the highlight of my week, anytime I get to do and this

week we shot like four episodes. So I've had four major

highlights of My Week, shooting he cast again, he changed

it.com, download the app jump in.

See the growth of what is going to be a gigantic thing in its

infancy. It's very cool to be part of

something at the beginning and that's where we're at right now.

And you ain't seen nothing yet. My name is Mike.

Chisholm. I am the host of he cast the

official podcast of he changed it.

Go change something.